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Konig Des Todes · Jul 26, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Aljasha

i think an official announcement will be placed around x-mas or in march 2010 (27/03/2007 -first announcement).

The later (March 2010) would go against Martin's word. For his credibility, I hope it would be the Holidays, if not PAX - which I hope it to be even more.

Brett Kuntz · Jul 26, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The later (March 2010) would go against Martin's word. For his credibility, I hope it would be the Holidays, if not PAX - which I hope it to be even more.

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Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

I call your BS and raise it by a "yes there will be" - if there is no information about GW2 before the end of the year, you can personally yell at me, point a finger and say "Martin said there will be information"

He really didn't promise you anything other than information, which can be as little as "Guild Wars 2 will be released sometime within the next 100 years", which would classify as being both correct and information.

fenix · Jul 28, 2009, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Kuntz is right, Martin could be sneaky and get around his 'promise' by simply saying that GW2 exists, and is being worked on.

JR · Jul 28, 2009, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by fenix

Kuntz is right, Martin could be sneaky and get around his 'promise' by simply saying that GW2 exists, and is being worked on.

I'm sure that fact crossed Martin's mind too, which is why he didn't hesitate in making such a superficially grandiose promise. It bought him a few positive responses.

[EDIT: Though to clarify, I do expect significant GW2 info by the end of the year.]

Inde · Jul 28, 2009, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Seriously... you've branded, judged and all ready decided what's going to happen? Stop being so cynical! Yes, we've had some let-downs. Jump on that bandwagon against every gaming company, but I do indeed believe that more GW2 information will be forthcoming this year. It may not be substantial, but the same people will still complain that it's not enough after a few months and the newness of even that wears off.

Ravious · Jul 28, 2009, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Yeah, this could be 38 Studios expecting a launch in 2010 and still looking for funding. Things could be worse.

Mordakai · Jul 28, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Inde

Seriously... you've branded, judged and all ready decided what's going to happen? Stop being so cynical! Yes, we've had some let-downs. Jump on that bandwagon against every gaming company, but I do indeed believe that more GW2 information will be forthcoming this year. It may not be substantial, but the same people will still complain that it's not enough after a few months and the newness of even that wears off.

Good to see Inde get pissed off.

Sometimes I feel like the only one genuinely excited about GW2... but then I realize everyone else is excited too, they just hide it in their cynicism. (And hey, I'm cynical too. Guild Wars is such a great game, can lightning strike twice?)

Brett Kuntz · Jul 28, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Inde

Seriously... you've branded, judged and all ready decided what's going to happen? Stop being so cynical! Yes, we've had some let-downs. Jump on that bandwagon against every gaming company, but I do indeed believe that more GW2 information will be forthcoming this year. It may not be substantial, but the same people will still complain that it's not enough after a few months and the newness of even that wears off.

Oh I wasn't saying there would be no info this year, or that it would be bad info. I was just saying no one really promised anything to anyone.

But I know we'll see some solid info within the year. Maybe even within the next 6 weeks!

Martin Kerstein · Jul 28, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by JR

I'm sure that fact crossed Martin's mind too, which is why he didn't hesitate in making such a superficially grandiose promise. It bought him a few positive responses.

You should know me better Dan...

Inde · Jul 28, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Please try to stay on topic and contributing.

Greedy Gus · Jul 28, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I wouldn't say I'm frustrated by the lack of info on GW2. Rather, it acts to make me skeptical about the stability of the whole project. The problem here for Anet is not whether info will come out this year or not...the problem is that that is the question even being argued about, after passing the only previous ETA that the beta would have hit almost a year ago.

I came back to GW in late 2008, hoping to get back into things to be in shape for GW2's GvG. I didn't know of any dates, but subconsciously my expectations (based on the 2007 announcements) led me to believe that it was going to be coming around the corner. But after mentioning GW2 a few times and getting raised eyebrow responses, I came to realize that something had happened to the schedule and that GW2 info had gone dark, with most informed expectations looking more like 2010-12 if anything. After this I've more easily been able to manage my own expectations (very low), and I think more people need to get past this point of cognitive dissonance if they still feel frustrated about GW2 timeline stuff.

TalanRoarer · Jul 28, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

I'm not frustrated by the lack of information either, I'm sure A-net have viable reasons for not releasing much info yet. I am also happy to wait for as long as it takes until Gw2.

That is, providing they get the game right ;D.

Gigashadow · Jul 28, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

I recently saw the statement that GW2 was "on schedule" and that all that had changed was that they had decided to delay the beta until the game was much closer to release. There's no way to know if this is actually true, but this point could have been clarified much earlier in the development process. (Note, the official letter in February did not make any reference to GW2 being, or not being, on schedule).

Giga_Gaia · Jul 29, 2009, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I love how the CM's come on here to show their face and then proceed to say absolutely nothing... again. Some of you say that they're doing a good job, but what exactly are they doing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but all I've seen them do is keeping their lid on GW2, and telling us that the monthly updates are being delayed. There's still no mention of when they're going to fix the XTH last that I checked. And what about being more open with their future big quarterly updates? It's almost August, and no one's even sure if we're going to get a big update yet.

So no, if they're handling communications about the game that they're currently running this badly, why would they say anything about a game that MIGHT come out in a few years? Although I chose option #2, I think if I was to vote again, I'd probably go for #1 this time.

Apollo Smile · Jul 29, 2009, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia

I love how the CM's come on here to show their face and then proceed to say absolutely nothing... again. Some of you say that they're doing a good job, but what exactly are they doing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but all I've seen them do is keeping their lid on GW2, and telling us that the monthly updates are being delayed. There's still no mention of when they're going to fix the XTH last that I checked. And what about being more open with their future big quarterly updates? It's almost August, and no one's even sure if we're going to get a big update yet.

So no, if they're handling communications about the game that they're currently running this badly, why would they say anything about a game that MIGHT come out in a few years? Although I chose option #2, I think if I was to vote again, I'd probably go for #1 this time.

You realize they aren't the people who decide what can and cannot be shown, right? Use some common sense.

Mordakai · Jul 29, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

It's a tough time to be a Guild Wars CM, I imagine.

There's obviously a "gag order" on leaks (which everyone must admit, ArenaNet runs a very tight ship not to have ANY leaks in 2 1/2 years!)

To try and put a silver lining on this dark cloud of uncertainty, if ArenaNet can do such a great job at keeping secrets, then I trust them to do their job and make a great game.

shoyon456 · Jul 29, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

And if they didn't post people would say they are ignoring the community.

Wait...they aren't? Anyone can post, but theres a difference between posting and communicating. Yes, the 2 years of no new info is an order from the higher-ups, but I believe it is part of the job description for Regina to communicate with the community and relay criticisms and/or suggestions to the higher-ups. Of course this will rarely solicit any actual action, but from our end it appears as though Regina has not relayed any of the frustration, IE the continued silence and lack of reliable info for over 2 years.

Even if they are not ignoring the community, they are giving the appearance of ignoring the community while leading on the faithful with the GW2 carrot.

I know that it is fairly common for fans to find out about aspects of a company before an official announcement is made, but we already have authors, names of books, and an ETA on one- yet still no announcement. It appears as though Anet cares only enough to do what they want, but not about informing fans/players. Its not that I care much about the books, but this pattern is unfortunate.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 29, 2009, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Wait...they aren't? Anyone can post, but theres a difference between posting and communicating. Yes, the 2 years of no new info is an order from the higher-ups, but I believe it is part of the job description for Regina to communicate with the community and relay criticisms and/or suggestions to the higher-ups. Of course this will rarely solicit any actual action, but from our end it appears as though Regina has not relayed any of the frustration, IE the continued silence and lack of reliable info for over 2 years.

Even if they are not ignoring the community, they are giving the appearance of ignoring the community while leading on the faithful with the GW2 carrot.

I know that it is fairly common for fans to find out about aspects of a company before an official announcement is made, but we already have authors, names of books, and an ETA on one- yet still no announcement. It appears as though Anet cares only enough to do what they want, but not about informing fans/players. Its not that I care much about the books, but this pattern is unfortunate.

People write on these forums like ANET cannot see what they are writing.
Whether we like the way they do business or not, they are determined to do it their way. All the pissing and moaning on the forums has not changed what they are willing to release until they are ready. Myself I can keep on playing GW as I am one who has taken my time and felt no pressure to finish the game. I also have time to play other games until the day GW2 eventually gets finished. All I can do is quote part of an old song:
Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.

Cacheelma · Jul 30, 2009, 05:12 AM // 05:12

You got it wrong RR, people write on these forums the way they do (me included) REGARDLESS of whether Anet can see what we are writing or not. We don't sugar-coat our words the way you might've liked not because we don't think Anet could see. We do it the way we do because that's what we want to communicate. It's that simple.

Little/no reponse might discourage people from posting more. After all, why bother? Some will still continue and post, though. But when most people don't see the point of posting here and leave, the community we have here will die a bleeding death. Look what happened to TGH and its PvP community.

Or better, ask Lonesamurai.

la_cabra_de_vida · Jul 30, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

We are not entitled to anything from anet, be that screenshots, news, or videos.